The Ethiopian government has effectively transition from being known as a TPLF/EPRDF government to Prime Minister Meles government. This change did not come easy. During the armed struggle days TPLF/EPRDF were managed and run as effective organization by a group of leaders so to speak. Although such arrangement continued during the early years, after EPRDF assumed power , the obvious difficulty to run a country with such arrangement became evident as time passed. One of the main outcome of the TPLF leaders split has been that the Ethiopian government was more looking like a government with a prime minister at the helm and not a group of EPRDF leaders at the helm! We think this is good but readers are welcome to disagree. Regardless, we hope we all agree that EPRDF has transformed itself to become a government and not a guerilla movement unlike EPLF or Isaias Afeworki regime in Eritrea!
Prime minister Meles is set to retire in the coming three years. His legacy as a government head will be remembered for generations to come. We think PM Meles will be remembered more for his contribution as a government head and not as the head of TPLF/EPRDF. We say this for two reasons, first, the history of TPLF is more of the history of the people of Tigrai! Second, PM Meles’s contribution as a government head has achieved a lot historians can write volume after volume. One such volume may be his government dealing with the Isaias regime in Eritrea. Given all what has happened so far do you think Prime Minister will be happy to retire from politics without resolving the problem Ethiopia has with the one man regime in Eritrea? Do you agree or disagree the problem Ethiopia has with Eritrea today is significant enough that prime minister Meles has to address while he is in office? In other words, is this a must for PM Meles to resolve if he wants to keep his otherwise magnificent achievement as a government head untarnished? Have Your Say!
Dear Aiga,
It is easy to smell what you wanted from this discussion. I am certain TPLF/ MELES has decided to give away badime in pretext of peace. Your task here is start covincing the people(psychologically). Well If you do so I accebt it no matter how bitter it would be. But the truth is it wont by any means bring peace. As a person used to live in scandenivian countries I know many eretrian. Many(big many) eretrians think tplf betrayed them. I have no idea whether tplf promised them to give the whole ethiopia or not. Probably because of those promise they got assab with no resistance, they were top coffe exporter, as meles him self witnessed they got 1 billion birr support, their embassy was freely engaged in collecting black dollar and so on……….. the response of all those benefit is hating tigreans in no word expression ( rememebr that many opposition crtisize and hate tplf cause of eretrian beneficiary policy). ers think the rest ethiopian hate us therfore they are free to talk so bad about tigrianans if you approach them as non tigrean, in some case they even invited you why dont we fight them together. Eretrians hate Ethiopans as awhole but they have to focus first on tigrans then they would go to others as they do it before the war. Please a strong and mutually benefited policy. No matter how low they are i dont push the goverment to follow hate poletics but mutually benefited with no appeasement. period.
Isayas is done; there is no government in eritrea except the eritrean people are very displined people they govern them self. Make no mistake ethiopians need to help eritreans to trash Isayas and his cornies; accoupying eritrea will not solve things I am very confident about the present government knows that especially our Tigrian Brothers that is why they stop the war while they are winning in 2000.
Afewerki
There is always another side of the story. Those who are blinded with one side of the story will never fully understand the truth. Sometimes truth is dominated and hidden by lies and distortion. There is a big difference on how people get to the truth in a democratic and authoritarian society. Those societies who developed democratic culture always question the validity of any information. They are not blinded by one side of the story. It is normal to find opposing views in democratic society. people are free to express their views with no restriction. Thus instead of labeling those who doesn’t agree with you as Shabiya or Eritrean you should stick to the issue and try to defend your views with evidence. For instance in America a great segment of the population didn’t support the invasion of Iraq. However they were not labeled as Arabs or Iraqis. They are Americans with different view. In my view I didn’t support the Ethio- Eri border war and will never support any future war. In the first place I don’t only blame Shabiya as sole instigators of the border war. It is true Isayas and his cronies are partially responsible for igniting the Ethio-Eritrea border war. Every one of us agree on this partial truth. But if we want to know the whole truth we should also try to see inside us for the cause of the war. To fully understand the truth we need to see the incidents that took place before the invasion of Badme by Eritrean forces. Gebru and Seye were taking provocative measure against Eritreans. Eritreans truck owners were robed in broad day light by militias organized by Gebru at the border. To this day the where about of many trucks owners and trucks that were taken by gebru are unknown. The Nakfa of Eritrea was confiscated and burned by Gebru miltias. Gebru has convened those militias and order them to confiscate Eritrean trucks and their loads at the border. He has ordered to collect and burn the Eritrean Nakfa (whom he belittles as qirshi H’alima) at the border. Eritreans who reside at the border were hijacked and arrested by Gebru. To this day no body knows where those Eritreans. An Eritrean team that was led by colonel was sent to find out the measure taken by Gebru. The colonel and his team were ambushed and killed. It is then halay Issayas ordered his brigade to invade badme. all I am is saying while condemning Isayas we also should look at our own leaders. Both Isayas and his cliques on eritrean side and Seye and gebru clique on Ethiopian side are responsible for igniting the war. Had it not been to the wise leadership of other EPRDF leadership we might find our self indulging in to an endless war. It is the responsible measure taken by other EPRDF leaders that stopped further bloodshed. For this Mlese and others should get noble peace prize. Thus both eritreans and ethiopians should fight the war monger’s with in us for lasting peace.
Hi Musie and Temesgen,
You approach seems somewhat similar to what was happening during the Derue days. During the Degue days I remember the cadres telling everyone who had a different opinion TPLF or Shaebia. So it seems you are reading from the same book. Don’t you think you are cheating yourself? Don’t you remember what Sium Mesfin said when the boarder judgment passed? He said “now the rule of law is completed and the next thing is for Shaebia to accept the ruling”. Later when it was clear that Badme was given to Eritrea he reversed course and started advocating to rejecting the ruling. Regardless of the loss of life and property such kind of political strategy is shameful to us. Your assumption is we accept the ruling only if it is in favor of us. I do not know about you but it seems very silly to me. Another silly thing is the belief that you will make peace with Eritreans while you are occupying land that is given to them. If dealing with Eritreans was as easy as you think, Dergue could have made a peace with them long time ago. Forget about Isaias and Ali, I do not think you could convince the opposing groups who were gathered in Awassa or the refugees in Shimelba.
Finally in your previous writings you tried to analyze how Eritreans will benefit if Ethiopia makes peace with them. To your knowledge Lufthansa’s most profitable route in Africa is Frankfurt –Asmara. This is happening when our airlines is burning fuels for a meager profit around Africa. Because our planes do not cross Eritrean territory they have to go all the way through sudan and back east to addis ababa. That costs the airlines a lot of money. Because we are not using Assab and Massawa we are losing millions of dollars to Djibouti where there is no benefit comes back to us. Had it been paid to Eritrea one way or the other we could have benefitted from that? I am sorry to let you know that your hatred blinded you eye and as a result you are not capable of looking at the whole picture. As to me I had it enough and unfortunately I decided to let you vent you anger and hatred alone. Because I do not think you could understand the point that I am trying to make. When you know the truth it makes you stronger and are prepared for eventualities. If not donit forget our wised elders saying which goes as “the one who hides his sickness never gets his cure”. I hope you will heed to the advice of our wise elders.
Good luck.
Dear Abreha,
It is interesting you mentioned how Siye and Gebru reacted to what a man who paved the way to your so called freedom(Herman Cohen) described as the looting of Ethiopian wealth by Eritreans prior to 1998 and you expect any true Ethiopian to petty them for that..The irony is Abreha, how ever much you tried to exaggerate events and tried to character assassinate Siye and Gebru, you have subconsciously exposed the unpatriotic and cowardice nature of those who didn’t react to what was happening at the time..you cried how Siye trashed Eritrean Nakfa and so on, but who wouldn’t anyway? . Isn’t it the fact that Eritreans wanted their nakfa to stroll all the way down to Sidama and fetch them the dollar earning Ethiopian specialty coffee that lead us to unnecessary war? so why do you feel Eritreans deserved to loot Ethiopian merchants and farmers off their dollar earning commodities with their worthless Nacfa? Even if we have to believe your sensational story about how the likes of Siye and gebru reacted to the situation, how does it justify the ignition of a war that cost thousands of lives?. Had Eritreans had the decency and a genuine desire for Independence, shouldn’t they have just packed and left with with their unwanted nakfa? After all, is independence all about accepting other nation’s choice to accept or refuse any foreign currency or even trade, specially if it deemed to be unfair? so how can you blame Siye and Gebru for protecting Ethiopia’s national interest…you see that is exactly where the problem lies..Eritreans as a society have been mislead by history to believe they are worth more than any other people specialy Ethiopians and waged a 30 years “independence” with a perception that things will remain the same..But when reality hits home and the truth turns out to be otherwise, they chose to stay in a state of war in order to cover their inability to move on as an independent nation. hence they make weakening and looting Ethiopia their ultimate goal.. The only reason they failed to succeed was because they lacked the maturity and the patience to take advantage of golden opportunities given to them Meles Zenawi otherwise there is every danger they will one day strike luck in their dream of enslaving Ethiopians specially Tigrians.(I hope you have heard what an x-American deplomat David Shine said how they wanted to indestralize themslves with Tigrian labour). That is all there is to it my friend..you can deny it all you like but it is a sentiment that bugs ever ethiopian including those least politicized once and there there is no better poof than how they in 1998 marched behind the very man (PMMZ) who betrayed them…No body except himself understands why he feels Eritreans can have it all..the independence and dependence..No body other than himself understands why he feels we Ethiopians owe Eritreans some thing. Perhaps it is his personal complex that has nothing to do with the rest of Ethiopians but Ethiopians are paying dearly for his personal feeling…….
So my drear Abreha and wedi-tigrai, I hope I have given you both enough benefit of the doubt to engage with you as Ethiopians but even if you are Eritreans I am glad to see you coming a long way in just 12 years to become a better person….No war no peace must have done the trick and that is the only blessing in disguise that has come out of Meles Zenawi’s blander……thanks!
Well said Temesgen,
Although, I don’t support the current political stands of both Siye and Gebru, I feel that what they did pre-1998 were what heroic gentlemen with strong Ethiopian feeling should have done and reacted. The justifications given by these shaebian cadres are very shallow. They just want to skip what Eritreans did, by a simple mentioning of shaebia’s bravado and nothing else. They don’t want to mention how their brothers were abusing their right as foreign citizens, the economic and political freedom they were offered by EPRDF. They are trying to deceive us in the name of brotherhood and normalization of the *Goldon Days’ of the first 7 years. It was golden for them, but not for Ethiopians. Nobody would deny the strong ties and bondage that we as Ethiopians (especially Tigrians) had since time immemorial. Bur we (as people) are not to be blamed for what happened in May 1998 and then after. These cadres are trying to convince us how Ethiopia has been damaged by the long route of the Ethiopian Airlines and for the using Port of Djibouti instead of Assab. Our answer to such rubbish justification should be “yes, there were slightly better feasibilities from the northern side, but we should rather pay a bit more currency turning our face to the east than carrying over 200, 000 smart creatures with strong appetite for our natural resources but not the people, their unique citizenship but not being Ethiopians. We should still not go for war, but as said by almost 98% of the commentators our relationship should be like the relationship that we have with Sudan, Djibouti, Kenya and Somalia. The special treatment being given for Eritreans in the name of ‘political refuge’ will have very bad consequence in the near future. History tells us only very Eritrean intellectuals who were given the opportunity acknowledge the kindness of the people.
Hi Temesgen and Musie again,
I was going to quit but your response made me tempted to come back.
You are presenting Siye and Gebru as the Heroes of the 1998-2000 border war. Well if your presentation is right then Siye and Gebru should have won the recent election in Tigrai, for that matter in Ethiopia. The failure of Siye and Gebru tells us they were only supported by extremists like you but not by the people of Tigrai and ultimately Ethiopia. The people have spoken and they said we do not need siye and Gebru even in Tigrai where they tried the blame game and described Meles and others working for Eritreans. They miserably failed. That tells you the failure of your argument.
The other thing is none of you mentioned the border decision in your argument. That tells me you are not genuine debaters but cowards. You sidelined the major disease that is creating a barrier for the current instability and neither of you have the gut to face it. Your shallow argument is because we died for it, it belongs to us. I do not know any place in the world where your argument makes sense except in your narrow mind that is filled with hatred and Jealousy. I believe in every society there are good and bad people. Like any other society that argument applies to Eritreans as well. However your characterization of all Eritreans in a negative way shows your lack of experience and narrow mindedness. As far as I know Eritreans are hard working, persistent and honest people and they do not deserve to be undermined by any one at all. The golden principle of Ethics is treating others the way you want to be treated. If Sium Mesfin wanted Eritreans to accept the border decision without any preconditions then he should do the same.
In your response you touted about another outdated argument. You focused about how Eritreans were getting economic benefits. I do not debate you on this issue because it is history now. What you do not know is that we were paying for port use in Birr and Eritreans had to turn that Birr into dollars. The only way they could have done that was only by buying Ethiopian commodities. If we had paid them in dollars like what we are doing with Djibouti then they may not have done that. Please understand that for every argument you raised there is hidden justification behind that.
As to the use of ports your response shows you do not know the whole picture. Currently we are preparing to extract potash in the afar killil worth of billions of dollars. However that potash will not be profitable for us unless we ship it through Assab. That is why you heard Meles saying we are considering Assab for potash shipment. Eritreans are also doing the same in a similar area. The advantage they have is Assab is a few miles away from the mining area and shipping the bulk potash will not cost them any money at all. That means they are more competitive than us and they will the buyer.
Those are few things I personally know. However please be assured that there are so many other things that will put as at a disadvantage. Now is the time to make peace. Four five years from now Eritrea will be in a lot better position at least economically than us and the prospect for peace will be very difficult come back. God bless for the sanctions on the military equipment we the money from mining the will not be able to buy tanks and planes. Otherwise things would have been a little different.
Stop arguing about what happened in the past and think about the future. Have a vision where we want to be in the coming 10-15 years and talk about strategies that we need to follow to realize those visions. Stop living in the past.
wedi-Tigrai? …you are now clear! thanks for being so clear so easily.
Wedi Tigray ( aka wedi shabia,kkk),
The guys will not tell you, but I have to tell you in a certain way. You are saying forget the past? Do you know the amharic saying,,” yewega biresa, yetewega ayresam.” I hope you know it well. Wedi Tigray, I know this website a shabia website, and that is why we are banned but you are allowed?
Wedi Tigray, Siye is more than hero and all the Tegadelti are a conviction. Meles never even participated in a single war and in those he participated he is recorded running away all the time. Siye is a hero and it is a matter of time. Meles and shabia will go and the day for Siye and Gebru will come soon. Everything has time; it is a matter of time. Then the history of shabia and the name Eritrea will be thrown into a dustbin. I promise you this will happen. Mark my words that we are working so hard to realize that. It is a matter of time.You are talking about border? leave alone after Meles, even now there is no border. There has never been border. You can go to Italay to get border. We do not recognize anything colonial. The sun can stop shining, the stars can fall, and the earth can convulve, there will never be border. I promise you this in your life. We will make sure the issue of Eritrea once for all sealed and people live in peace. No agreement, no negoiatiation. This is the honest sentiment reall Ethiopians. Eritreans our people and we will liberate them from colonial mindset. They are still colonized. Colonization is not just physical occupation. The worst colonization is the mindset colonization that is why our sisters, brothers deki bahri negash prefer bani over himbasha, hibshti, and pasta over zigni and etc. They need to be liberate.
When our time comes, aiga website will disappear into the dustbin of history. Shabia and shabia affiliates like aiga will disappear like derg. You know how derg disappeared? derg disappeared not because he did not have soldiers? but because he was hated by the people and including the conscripted soldiers. Shabia is like that and Meles is like that. No one wants Meles. Meles rules Ethiopian by the barrel. That will only last for a limited time like derg.
Rest assured, we will seal the Eritrea issue once for all and both can live normal life. They can go to school, university, and work. Our people are living in fear because of shabia and Meles. Our people are killed everyday all over the country everyday. We have now 5000 orphans in Ogaden. The list go on. This has to come to an end soon. You need to forget Eritrea and live your live. Meles is human like any human. He will go soon. As you can see him he is old now. Also he is young, he is old because he love power and he over work. He does not know life. Power corrupts and he is corrupted. He looks now older than Mandela. When he go the issue of Eritrea will over. Do not waste your time. By the way, you did not even appreciate Meles? Do you think you will appreciate Siye? kkkk, now ways, no one despise Meles more than Eritreans. No Ethiopians makes a fiasco cartoon of Meles than Eritrean? you are the loser. Meles stood 100% for you but you urinated on him and you lost it all. He gave you the entire red sea with no question? he gave you the entire Ethiopians asset with no question? but you came back to take more land? Wedi Tigray ( aka wedi shabia ) history is closed for Eritrea. You may not like it. We will nullify any agreement done by Meles. The end of history of Eritrea. Thank you.
Wedi Tigray,
«Ya’ei tezaribca moitka»
You ‘reminded’ us to note that for every point we raised you have a hidden justification. Of course, you have but “a- shaebian version”, not an Ethiopian. Nobody said Siye and Gebru are great politicians. Do not try to create your own story. I personally have clearly said I don’t support the current political stands these two guys. In fact, I never liked Gebru even before he moved to the other camp. But that wouldn’t make to deny the-very-Ethiopian deeds he accomplished in defending the interest of his citizens (Ethiopians) in general and Tigray in particular as an administrator. It is funny that you were trying the recent election result as evidence/indication how these guys were wrong during the Ethio-Eritrea war. You must crazy to consider us stupid who don’t understand how Ethiopian politics goes. I never felt bad they lost the election. In fact I voted against them. But the lost doesn’t mean that the election was fair.
You said Ethiopia was paying in Birr as port services. But it was clear that the Eritreans agreed for it because they knew they would take the foreign currency from the country through black market and cheap commodities from remote countryside of Ethiopia and through the help of the hundreds of thousands of its people with dual citizenship.
My friend you better stay beyond the old Mereb melesh.
You repeatedly mentioning Seyoum Mesfin’s interview as genuine. I think his speech would remain one of the most cheapest interview he ever made in his carrier (and may be in his life) as a foreign affairs minister.
Again “no war with Eritrea”, but we should treat Eritreans as citizens from neighbouring countries, if not less. Sorry I have no time.
Gezae aka wedi dergi you didnt change a lot. You still sound dergi. I personally know some one like you who was keftegna hulet derg cadre during derg days. He used to force us to attend his disquire. He will start with ” Etyopia wey mot” “webediewoch key baher enketachewalen” and so on. We grow up hearing the bravado of derg cadres that they would destroy Eritrea and that they would annhilate Tigray. But you know who is destroyed. It is not Eritrea or Tigray that is destroyed it is you dergi cadres and kebele chairmen who are destroyed. It is dergi and not the name Eritrtea that is thrown in to dust bin. You, I and every one knows this fact. Whether you like it or not Eritrea will prevail as free nation free from haters like you. Your dream to recolonize Eritrea wiull never materialize.To the contrary of your wish the people of Tigray and Eritrea will live in peace and prosper together not by going to war but by building peace among the twoi nations. The evil plan that is designed to immerse the two people in to never ending war will foil. The dream of war will never materialize. Those of you who are haters will die out jealousy when you find the two people living together in peace. Seye, Gebru, Isayas, and Ali abdo and their followers will die without satsfying their dream of war. The people of Erittrea and Tigray will punish Seye gebru issais and Ali as war crtiminals. They are the one who are responsible for the death of more tha 100000 youth on both sides.
Even now in times of no war and peace both people at the border are living in peace. There is still business interaction among Tigryans and Erittreans. There is intermarriage taking place among the villages all along the border. Let alone Gezae kurkur dergi, no Shabiyan botoloni or Ethiopian brigade can stop that from happening. In the future when those criminals jailed as war criminals at Hague the two people will celebrate their brotherhood. Tigryans will travel to enjoy the beaches of Massawa and Eritrean will cross Mereb to Tigray for some god time. This will be the end of the story to the haters. You will burn and die out jealousy.
Hi Musie,
I am happy that my effort was not in vain. At least I managed to narrow the difference in opinion between you and me. I wish we met in person and may be able to talk as much as possible. Let’s stop hate and come to our senses.
I am not going to respond to Gezaee because I know he is the most foolish person I ever known. He never changed. He is still Kurkur Degi. Those kinds of people do not want peace. They are left over and want to make sure that the people of Tigrai and Eritrea will not live in peace. Probably he should go to Ethiomedia and vent his anger for the faill of his Derg masters 20 years ago in there. He is still going through that Agony.
Aiga never been a shaebia website and it will not be in the future. The point is civilized people want to hear both side of the story and decide for themselves. For Gezaee any who does not echo his backward version of hatred and Jealousy should be banned from Aiga. He always trys to separate our leader’s blood into Eritrean and Tigreain forgetting Eritreans and Tigreans are the same people. What a fool
Wedi Tigray aka wedi shabia,
Aytetsaref eba? nekbaber; Nabey Tsigtsig nitigray hiji? You bombed the whole Tigray in one week? Shabia bombed Mekele airport, Adigrat Pharmacy, Aider kindergarten, bombed food stores in addigrat, and dismantled mining in badme and took machineries to asmara? cut all the trees in Zalambessa and flattened Zalambessa to ashes? now you come and turn around tell us stories about tigray? haha, you made me laugh very much. You must be naive.
I am not derg and I was not an adult during derg ; I never got involved either in derg nor in TPLF or shabia game. I am pure with no blood in my hand, clean, tsuruy kem mai neguho. Your insult of derg bla bla,… only exposed you how ignorant you are. You are hiding behind PC. My real name is Gezaee. I am as pure as that. I can speak with no fear to Meles or shabia or aiga website, anyone. I live only for truth. Anything is not based on truth, it does not get closer to me.
I do not hate Eritrean; that is your figmentation only. I do love deki bahri Negashi like any Ethiopian. I do believe 100% in fairness. No baby sitting to anyone. I rule my self by my natural conscience ( helina) and conscietiuosness. I do not bend based on tribe or ethnic or any influerence. You can imagine yourself if you can find yourself a person of my quality ? Can you find a shabian who does not hate Ethiopian?
My advise to you, stop this Eritrea tigray story. Tigray is not different from Ethiopia. Ethiopia( tigray inside ). Do not go inside, talk about the great nation called Ethiopia? I know you do not like that name? why? ask yourself why you hate Ethiopia?
You have used Tigreans more than necessary and you will never use them again. Rest assured for that. You can live in peace if you want but the baby sitting is over. I do not think even Meles will baby sit you anymore. you are useless. Issayas is now superpower? kkkkkkkkkk
Anyway, the issue of Eritrea will be dealt once for all and sealed. Finish. No more bleeding Ethiopia. You have gambled with the blood our people enough. You have been given a free ride. They Tigreans even landlocked themselves in Mekele and gave your their entire red sea, but you came back for more? selfish? And you tell me stories about Tigray? you do not believe the Tigreans to have their own ports, but you wanted to be their friend? you
are seflish wedi shabia. No tigray eritrea talk. The topic is Ethiopia. Tigray is a part, and a parcel of Ethiopia.
To equate Gebru, Siye with the blood thristy Issayas who is bleeding the whole Africa is just a joke. You hate Gebru? you hate siye? why? you tell me Gebru and Siye started the war? you must be living still in the Eritrean planet where everything is only according to Eritrean? the whole world know shabia invaded Ethiopia? UN declared it and you blame Siye? the main reason you hate Siye? It is because you get the secret that Siye did not want to come back home without finishing shabia. We know this very well. I know Issayas was ready to take a life boat to Suadi Arabia before Meles all of a sudden stopped the war. I have my close Eritreans friends who were in Asmara and who know Issays was packing to flee to Suadi Arabia. He got asylum there. The king of Suadi Arabia organized his refugee trip. Thanks to Meles he saved him.
You were begged for more than a year to withdraw from badme. you refused. You did more incursion by saying you will eat lunch in Mekele and supper in at Menelick palace? kkkkkkkk, what happened? you did not even manage to take care of badme? kkkkk.
Anyways, wedi shabia, I do love deki bahri Negash. deki bahri Negash = Ethiopians love. I have no any hate to anyone. Of course I hate shabia and Meles. That is my honest feeling. No playing around. I have no close friend from Ethiopia. All my friends are from Eritrea. I am not lying to you. All my friends are Erittrean. They know I am not hater. They know my position. They love it because it is not biased against them. Just wait for the day.
My friends, Abreha and wedi-Tigray…
I wish you realize how you are making a mockery of the truth on the ground…you are telling us that, we are at each other’s throat with hundreds of thousands of solders stationed on each side of our borders because we love each other. even worse, you are trying to blame every generation that went before us including the dead Dergu for a problem that has been there since time immemorial..My friends, regardless of who you are, wither you are Eritreans or Tigrians, (I don’t mean to disregard the rest of Ethiopia here, I am just playing to your Tigrian Eritrean brotherhood game), let’s be truthful to ourselves for the sake of those who died in the past just to convince us of the common bond we have but failed…at least theirs was not a joke, they meant it and they bleed for it but still couldn’t convince us. so what makes you think your fake crocodile tears about Tigray-Eritrea love will change any thing? The truth is my son, the scar is sooooooo deep that even our past misguided hatred for Amharu that once brought us together couldn’t heal it.. so let’s not preach a fake ‘Love of convenience’ just because life for some of us is getting tough..It is my sincere belief that the sooner we know our place the better. we can not keep on playing with people’s lives just because we can not make up our mind about who we are. We are Ethiopians of Tigrian origin and you are Eritrean of where ever you think you originated from. But at least we know that you have spent decades to prove some thing about you is different from us, hence we have to respect that..If any thing, we have arrived at age of globlization where we should be more concerned about protecting our own national interest. I don’t mean to preach fake love while condemning you for doing so but it is only fact that we have more stake with Oromos, Amharus or even Somalis than an Eritrean of any ethic background. Therefore, the identity crises has to somehow come to an end, or else we will end up making the same old mistakes that took irreplaceable lives and resources…. enough is enough!
Hi Temesgen,
I am very amazed by your conclusion that anyone who preaches for peace is shaeabia. Unintentionally you are giving credit to Shaebia. You know from your heart that shaebia will not preach for peace. But you still go the wrong way and conclude that we are shaebia. That is a wrong conclusion. If you decide peace with Eritreans is a lose lose strategy I have to let you know that you are wrong. I am sure that the people of Eritrean and Tigrai and for that matter Ethiopia will win. Till that time comes let’s wait patiently. For the hate mongers knowing that peace will come they should start planning their distractive propaganda. The are Nai Wereket Nebri and have nothing to show for that. In the end they will fail miserably as Siye and Gebru failed.
Isghi wo Dehankum
Sorry Wedi Tigrai,
Siye and Gebru never failed, they have at least rightly or wrongly decided to side with their country Ethiopia, unlike Meles who seems to be losing on all fronts in regards to Eritrea…he has pleased neither Ethiopians nor eritreans..so who is the loser here?..but while I can understand why most Eritreans are terrified of Siye and Gebru, I just don’t understand why they are bitter with Meles…I wish they realize that even if Meles had a woman’s womb and could give birth, they will never get anything like him out of his tummy let alone from another Ethiopian leader of any other tribe…I hope he will not be a missed opportunity for them.
Hi Temesgen,
What evidence do you need to prove the failure of Siye and Gebru. Gebru was defeated in Mekelle and its surroundings where he was born and raised. Siye was defeated even in Tembien. You are working hard to make failures into heroes. As to why Eritreans hate Meles, Siye and Gebru that is for you to ask your Eritrean acquaintances. I am sure you may not have to ask many Eritreans to find out why they hate Meles. Possibly because he signed a peace agreement and he refused to honor it. They believe he is a flake. As to comparing other future leaders with Meles about handling the situation with Eritrea, What choice do they have left. War or honoring what previous leaders signed for and implement it. I am sure they will choose the latter and peace will prevail between the two people. Before that regardless of the blame game I still believe that Meles will do it himself because that is the right way to go.
wedi Tgrai, If you were genuinely for peace, you wouldn’t even suggest the idea of Ethiopia ceding any land to Shabia…my friend if it was that easy, meles wouldn’t hesitate to do it for a minute……you claim to be Tigrian, yet you don’t even know what EPRDF has already admitted in public on a visual media…during the election..”We were forced in to the war, because shabia wanted to impose it’s terms on us” was what Redwan Husien said…your approach seems that of Shabia(I don’t mean you are Shabian),,,,to gain a quick psychological victory, then if things don’t change in your favor, to continue with another claim on another part of the border until you achieve the unachievable…But, I hope Eritrea will not run out of people by then.
Temesgen,
You might have already understood that I am a straight forward guy. I really do not try to cheat myself by going around the bush. Unfortunately you are simply living in a false world. You need to get real. Your characterization of ceding land to Eritrea is an illusion. The court said the land belongs to Eritrea. In other words our army is sitting in other country’s land. If you are an outlaw, that is another issue. However if you believe in the rule of law then that is the clear interpretation of the decision. How the hell in the world do you think the Eritreans will make peace with you while you are sitting on their land? Are you a moron or you are really underestimating Eritreans as a people? The issue in here is not who has the power? Because history tells us through time the powerless could be power full and vice versa through time. We Tigreans are the real example of that. So you do not have to think too much to find out that there may be a time in the future that we might lose our power. The guarantee to remain being respected as a people is to obey the law. Being just and right in whatever situation is the guarantee for a people and country. Not how many thanks or fighter planes you own.
In our culture there is a very dangerous trend that has been developing for quite some time. Some people confuse lie with politics. When some people hear someone is lying then they say it is politics. On other words according to them politics is a lie. If you are one of those guys there is nothing I could do about it. However if you are a straight forward guy then I am sure you will understand where I am coming from. As to your claim that Eritrea might go out of people, that is something for the Eritreans to worry. That is not something that concerns us.
Hi wedi ‘Tigrai’,
You said you succeeded in narrowing our differences. I don’t any point I had the same understanding. After all the more you write, it is becoming who you are (or at least where you belong). Opposing Gebru and Siye because of their political position would not mean that I will not give to what they did before the Badme war and before dergue’s fall when they were considered as heroes of the people of Tigray. You are just skipping the issues related to how shaebians (or Eritreans) were embezzling the country natural resources, how they have been working to alienate Tigrians with major ethnics of Ethiopia. You are trying for “convince” us to forget the past and “focus on the future” in the name of peace. But how could we trust you guys after all the betrayals, greediness. Do you know that 95% of Eritreans (including you) still believe that the contribution of the “few“ TPLF fighters were nothing? I added you here because you have spent quit few time talking about the people of Tigray and here sons and daughters who lost their lives for the independence of Eritrea and Eritreans who returned the good deeds by backstabbing after 7 years. I have read many statements from you and other guys in Eritrean website Eritreans were fighting against the dergu army siding with TPLF in Shire. Of course, I have heard this from TPLF fighters, too. I wish I read a very detailed report of the war, how many shaebian soldiers were involved, and how many were martyred and wounded. I respect those who died (if there were dead fighters at all), I am sorry to say this, but given the nature of shaebians (Eritrean psychology) I feel that the number of shaebia fighters involved in the war would be much less compared to the tens of thousands of TPLF fighters (who marched to Naqfa) as only a mechanized unit of shaebian soldiers were participated. Unless you and your types still live with your logic of 1 Eritrean: 1000 Agame, it would definitely be that the number is quite few. Any way we have to hear a true story of the war from respected guys from either side. Because of this nature of you guys from the other side of Mereb I don’t think peace would prevail in both countries. Don’t consider me as war monger. I hate war as it has eaten precious sons and daughters from both sides. But the pain is much severe, when one paid heavily, defeated the other enemy and but suddenly ordered to leave the land as soon possible because the “mission was accomplished”.
By the way, we already know why you guys hate Siye and Gebru (I am wondering why we’re not mentioning Tewolde as he was the leader)
Lastly, to Temesgen,
I think I can guess who you are. I don’t want to mention “a name”. I share with some of your points but not on all. Your hate towards a certain individuals becoming bold.
Wedi Shaebia,
I read you resposne toTemesgen. Your true nature is revealing. You are boiling and of course you are here Eritrean-Guday-asfeTsami. You are lowering your self to street boys trying to react on arguments by insulting.
Gezae aka wedi dergi as I said you are still thinking like deerg cadre. You are telling me the crimes committed by Isayas-Ali regime on the people of Tigray. I know you are mentioning those crimes not because you love the people of Tigray but you want to use those pretexts and plant hate among the two people. This was the usual practice of Amharu since Menelik days. We all know it is the coward Menelik who created Eritrea by dividing the two people. Yet you will never say anything about Menelik because I know you are followers of Menelik and the type of his rules. Instead of blaming the real culprit you are pointing your finger at Melse for trying to bring peace among the two people. You still blame Melse as being sympathetic to Eritreans. Melse has gone to war even if he doesn’t believe in solving the border conflict by going to war. He has fully implemented the decision of the parliament. The parliament decision was to get ride of Eritrean forces from Ethiopian lands. There was no decision to remove Issayas from power or occupy Eritrea. After Eritrean forces were removed from Ethiopian lands he order to halt the advance of Ethiopian forces. He order to stop the advance because the decision of the parliament was to to bring back occupied lands and not to occupy Asmaera or Eritrea. As a leader of the country he has followed the rules of law and has done the right thing. Yet you haters are blaming him for being not being Ethiopian enough and for being sympathetic to Eritreans. Even if 100000 youth have died in unnecessary war, you are not yet satisfied and you still are trying to ignite another war. How much more bloodshed do you want to see before you accept Melse as Ethiopian. In my opinion your only dream is to see is Eritreans and Tigryans kill each other and weaken themselves.
Even if your motive is not out of love Tigryans, it is true that the war criminal Issaysa has committed the above mentioned crimes. He has bombed Ayder (however the actual bomber was Amharay colonel Muluken Tedesse). It is also true Shabiya has bombed Mekele airport and flattened Zalambessa. This is the crime comitted by war crimnal Issayas and Ali abdu. The other side of the story is Ethiopia has bombed Asmara airport, has bombed hundreds of civilian transporting buses, has flatten Senafe and even dismantled and destroyed the ancient Metra obliques, has also destroyed grave yards of martyrs. This is also the war crimes committed by Seye and Gebru. I believe both Tigrayns and Eritreans should challenge those war criminal at the international court at Hague. The death of hundereds of thousands youth should not go unpunished. Your hero Seye has many similarities to Mengistu. He is hater like Mengistu and poses like he is hero but actually he is coward like Mengistu. Seye like Mengistu is living his personal life. After the death of 100000 youth he has joined an Amharn party called “andenet” and is going haravard preparing himself to be the ruler of next Ethiopia. Seye’ko Ezi kulu menesay Tigray awedeiu hizb Tigray zeteleme seb eiyu.
You have said an independent UN has proved that Eritrea invaded ethiopia. It is true after being provoked by Seye and Gebru Eritrea has invaded Ethiopia.UN rule should be respected and Eritrea is should take the responsibility of the invasion and pay the compensation of the war damage. But don’t forget in the mean time Un has also decided Badme in favor of Erittrea and Badme legally belongs to Eritrea. No matter how we hate Issayas we should leave Badme to Eritreans. Esyas then should be dealt by the people of eritrea who want to live with their Tigryan neighbors in peace. They might need some kind of help forom their Tigryan brothers. But we should never invade and bomb Eritrea to appease our enemies who are wishing to see us die
Wedi-Tigrayi,
Of course you are a very straight guy, that is why I keep engaging with you knowing exactly who you are….you are sooooo straight that you have not even made an effort to change the same repetitive line of bravado that has been used by Shabia for the last 40 years or so to mislead Eritreans..you think the propaganda style that worked for 20th century would still work in 21st century and you keep on bluffing the same old “don’t underestimate eritreans, Eritreans are invincible” and what not? we have heard it all…..my friend Wed-?????, this days we all wish eritreans are as brave as you want to portray them so that they can free themselves from the shackles they are voluntarily trapped in so that by extension we can all live in peace..But It seems bravery, love of country and patriotism in Eritrea is only measured by how much one hates Ethiopia and nothing else, not even the worst kind of oppression seems to unite Eritreans other than the hatred they have for ethiopia..Come on wed-?????, a lot has happened since the fall of Derg and we have seen Eritreans for what they really are..you just can not keep on misleading people with worn-out myths….we have heard a lot of myths in the past about, Eritreans being industrious this and that and we said, there you go, have your country and show us, but 20 years on the only product Eritrea seems to produce is refugees, we heard and a lot of myths about Eritreans being invincible this and that, but despite their determination to see Ethiopia crumble, they only move we see them making is either petty terrorism or at best run through the Sinai desert to scape Eritrea…so please wedi-???? move on, change your outdated tactics..we are in 21st century where things are fast changing…..we are this we are that with nothing to show is just not enough! I think I have said enough and let’s leave it at this! ..thanks and Goooood bye!
All,
We have said enough on this topic. The discussion has started to go astray thus time to close this thread. Thanks and let us hope those that decide on policy matters have read us all.